that's one of the ways they feel like they will pay for this health care insurance. >> it is a powerful argument that republicans, including mitch mcconnell, the republican leader and others are making when they say the democrats want to cut $500 billion of your medicare over the next ten years. it gets people and you've seen that in the town hall, people saying, they are going to pull the plug on grandma. i mean, getting that kind to sarah palin and she's clearly trying to play for a larger stage here. i mean, but i think in large part she really is contemplating for a small stage. and, you know, she has the support, you know, not only for evangelicals but flipping among a lot of folks. >> knowing the congress as you do, if the house version has the end of life counseling version in it, the senate version does not, when they get together and try to forth some sort of compromise, who wins? >> well, it depends on who needs the votes.